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    After graduating college, Linda found success working as an extra in Hollywood, achieving the glamorous life she always wanted. But her dreams died when she came down with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a rare disorder characterized by joint dislocations. Linda started taking fentanyl, a painkiller 100 times stronger than morphine. As her painkiller use escalated, she claimed that different sources were causing her pain, including electricity, energy, colors, and even specific people. Despite Linda's wild claims, her mother clings to the belief that Linda's pain is real and she must do everything to help her, including depleting the family's savings and sending her son to be Linda's caretaker.

     

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  • since I'm here

    dont know where these ideas r comin from never told anyone not to have surgery. but Surgery with EDS is risky. that is common knowledge. was trying to repost something 

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    I'm not going to read through the past 25 pages to find your quotes Linda. You definitely DID say that. You've posted it elsewhere too. You've also told people to not listen to their doctors about pain management. You really need to stop trying to practice medicine without a license. It's against the law.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Linda's motto: "I don't listen, but you should listen to me" :)

    I can't be sure what happened, but based on Linda' history, I lean toward the devil I don't know (fregs).

    It's certainly against the law for a non-professional to tell a patient to disregard a doctor's instructions about how to use a medication he or she prescribed. It's probably "common knowledge" that surgery for anyone (EDS or not) is dangerous. The problem is that it's not such common knowledge that virtually all prescription meds can be dangerous, especially opiates, even if not grotesquely misused. (Even some non-prescription meds can be dangerous.) Whitney Houston might have died from slight carelessness. Many people drink and use pain meds (or, for example, use pain meds and sleeping meds or, more scary, cold meds with sedating ingredients) - George Clooney has suggested he does. Dr. Drew said something eye-opening, which is that one substance can make a person a bit forgetful and not realize how much he or she is taking of the other. In a way, Linda's episode is misleading, in that that type of prescription misuse probably is far less common than mixing classes of substances. Linda likely doesn't realize how dangerous the other kind is or that many people are fundamentally disorganized or impulsive and can't be trusted to correctly use particularly dangerous drugs. Or that some people might be reckless in how they store meds (e.g., where kids can access for them). Regardless of that, at this point it's crazy that she still acts as though long-term pain meds are low-risk and particularly helpful for EDS. Some EDS-related problems are easier to treat surgically sooner rather than later, making covering them up with pain meds a bad choice.

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  • Re: Re: tonight's episode: Linda (season premiere at 9:00 p.m. ET) -- talk about it here

    Posted By: TrishaKostis
    Agree with the above statements emphatically. I was offended AS AN ADDICT because clearly this woman was severely emotionally disturbed. And let's not forget, she was an actress. I felt that she was trying to give a performance 80 percent of the show. It was completely annoying and the only compassion I felt, as she sat on her bed, licking her "lollipop" and ordering her brother around, was for her family.

    I wish Intervention would stick to the drunks and druggies and not mix them up with the severly mentally disturbed. It gives us poor recovering addicts a really bad image!
    yeah us addicts need all the help we can get with our image, i've been addicted to heroin for 25yrs and have been clean for 5yrs, i've always been at least 10yrs behind everyone else.....

  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Just an update on my health.
    And it's yucky. I know I started that sentence with a conjunction, but right now I'm not the Annoying Grammar Lady. I'm just Mere. And I'm in pain. All the time. So I'm going to start sentences with conjunctions and maybe even stick some fragments in here. Deal, people.

    A few months ago, I befriended someone who frequented the same blog as I did. In case you're interested, it's called imbringingbloggingback.com, and it's hysterically funny. The guy who writes it recaps reality shows and is a wonderful writer. Anyway, I met Linda Li in the comments section, and we began talking to each other. Then we befriended each other on Facebook.

    If you don't know who Linda is, she was on an episode of the television show Intervention. The show made her look really bad, and I was glad I hadn't seen her episode before I met her because I think it would have colored my opinion of her. At first, we just discussed trivial things, like Grey's Anatomy (we're both huge fans) and ice cream (also, both huge fans), but I began to see her posting about her EDS support group. I had no idea at the time what EDS was. I knew Linda was in pain much of the time because I saw her posts to her group, which was an open group at the time. If a group is open, it means everyone can see the interaction going on within it. She was saying how much her fingers hurt all the time.

    At some point, I grew curious and asked her what EDS was. She told me EDS stood for Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and it was a connective tissue disorder that caused severe pain. It also caused dislocations of joints and subluxations of joints. I'd had tons of subluxations my whole life, but I'm including a definition in case you don't know what it is.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    I know the point of that is supposed to be awareness, and I find no fault in that sense.

    However, complaining of finger pain to the group? I said probably around that time that Linda needs to spend less time there for health reasons. It seems that no one in the group cares or dares enough to say that to her - fake friends to someone who'd push away any real friends - and I assume that Linda's demented coping technique is pain meds. Bad role model.

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  • Someone wondered if something else was at play. Excerpts

    There are days where I have felt that there must be something else at play because it is as bad as it is. Luckily or unluckily, these days perhaps luckily, environment does have so much to do with my Symptoms. Around certain levels of Elect...romagnetic factors not a single joint can hold in place. I mean not a one. I distinctly remember not beingable to feed myself in my own apartmetn in Hollywood. But then going to a hospital in the outskirts of LA and being able to play basketball and sign my name (I had not been able to write in 3 yrs.) So there was a huge clue. So you never do know what is exactly at play?
    YES!!! I lived in the heart of Hollywood around all the radio and TV station satellites. The subway was right underneath me.The big screen tv's from buildings across the way would hurt me. I could not even watch television for a number of ...years. I had no idea that the Tsunami had even happened. I also did some good observing. At the time our LA EDS support group was on the large side and i noticed that the members who lived on the Ocean side of LA as opposed to the Valley were doing much better pain wise. Chalk it up to the Ocean Ions healing people faster. Or all that static and pollution from living in the valley made things worse for them.
    Oh is my pain better now??? Lets just say this... I would compare my pain level and situation to be Very much like how Wendy Swanson's is now. Almost homebound and just in dreadful pain 24/7. on a scale 0f 1-10 =40. It doesn't even count wh...at I experience nowadays. What is my pain now.... Hmm maybe a 2??? The only time it gets outa controll is When I'm exposed to multiple cell phones ringing multiple times. Then my ribs over something else that has recently dislocated will re injure. And it is very hard to avoid that kinda thing. It will take a few days for it to heal. But I've had to make some big sacrifices not to have to share walls with a cell phone or laptop user. I live with the elderly. But honestly its way better than people my age drama!

     

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Pollution doesn't help, I'm sure. Ocean ions? Static? Oh geez. That's the sort of support offered in the Facebook group? Don't project crazy theories onto other people with EDS.

    Linda says things like that, and then decides I'm angry for different reasons. I'd like to get along with Linda (and everyone, really), but I don't approve of her ways and believe she needs to change for her own sake.

    By the way, 2 pain level? Who with EDS has that little pain? Overmedication?

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  • interesting

    Interesting how Linda can type endlessly yet her joints are dislocating. Are the pain-free hands in the same vein as the spread-eagle hip relocator, or the exuberant dancing? See, I have a chronic illness too that wreaks all kinds of havoc, so I get that sickness carries a certain psychic weight. But using your physical illness as an excuse for not treating what is obviously mental illness makes me mad.

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  • Re: Interesting

    My point is that, based on my knowledge of people with EDS and Linda's long history of complaints about finger pain and resistance to taking good care of her health, if she's not having much finger pain now (from computer use), it's probably because she's loading up on pain meds. It seems plausible that she switched to a different pain management specialist because the old one (correctly) didn't believe in giving her more pain meds to support reckless use of her joints.  If so, probably the new one doesn't know much about handling people with addictive tendencies (e.g., computer overuse) and therefore is more susceptible to smooth-talking.

    "I was misrepresented by Intervention," "Chronic pain excuses bad behavior," "I'm happy," and "I've worked years in mental health (and therefore can't be a mess)" are some of Linda's excuses for not doing serious work on her mental health. The intellectually dishonest attitude ticks me off. Beyond that, it makes her a bad role model to, and a harmful public depiction of, various groups of people, and it ultimately prevents Linda from improving her reputation and building a good life for herself.

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  • Hypermobile Toe-biter on The Doctors

    On Monday, The Doctors had a segment about a guy who bites his toes. At the end of it, Dr. Travis had him show off the leg-behind-head kind of hypermobility. Of course "hypermobility" and "Ehlers Danlos" were never mentioned. The guy didn't have an EDS-looking face. The doctor also made the point that toe biting can be due to anxiety; it also goes with hypermobility. I'm guessing the man's wife volunteered him for the national embarrassment. If the video goes online, maybe Linda will have a rival for worst hypermobility moment.

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  • Funny how life works out

    Who knew 2 yrs later I'd be becoming besties with another Intervention Cast member. And getting ready to go out on a double date with her! LOL Life is just full of surprises!!

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Do your fellow cast members know you think of them as "druggies"? But who else would hang out with Linda?

    It's not funny. It's appalling. Over two years later, goofing off most of the day and (despite being reasonably able-bodied) the only "productive" action (EDS Facebook group) probably is endangering some people (by the way, bad role modeling on diet, as it affects pain). What a waste of talent and opportunities to get things right.

    I hope A&E has learned from this and isn't letting more attention-seekers on shows like Intervention. I wish Bay Recovery would learn from this and hire better psychologists, use mentoring systems, set up employment with unrelated businesses, etc., so that patients are kept on the right track. Although I cynically say that it might be more profitable in the long run to maintain the revolving door.

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  • The Doctors Blows Another Chance

    Today The Doctors had a segment with a young male patient with keratoconus. One of the doctors explained that weak collagen causes it. Nothing was said about why he had weak collagen. He definitely had the boyish look I'd expect in someone with EDS. (He was given a good, minimally invasive new treatment.)

    That's twice in one week that patients with defective connective tissue were featured, and yet "connective tissue" disorders were never mentioned. It's like the TV series version of Linda - repeatedly messes up and angers people and ignores all feedback to do better.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    My Boyfriend asks me who is it that we are going double dating with. I said believe it or not a girl I know from Intervention. LOL If you want you can go online and watch her episode b4 we go out. Is that the freakiest thing or what?

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  • From Jennifer Alves Long

    no they told me no meds they wanted me to do pt and ot with a therapist who didnt even know what eds is made me use a walker after i told him my shoulders and wrists are bad and then when all 4 dislocated in front of him he freaked and didnt know what to do so i had to slam my shoulders into a wall to knock them in and still the pain doc refused me meds and told me to deal with it

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  • Protecting the Innocents from Linda

    First of all, I already warned about posting people's full names and I don't know why the moderators haven't deleted the post. Now I have to deflect from that and as usual spend energy to fight misleading information.

    Let's assume that the story is accurate. There are ignorant, rigid, callous medical professionals out there. Then she should move on to places where knowledge is higher and pain medication is offered. Some pain medication. Not an endless supply, which Linda seems to advocate. Because the original doctor has the right basic idea - reduce dislocations. No amount of medication is going to make a big difference in pain level after a significant dislocation. And the more chances of dependency, medication-induced damage, and overuse while injuries worsen perhaps beyond repair.

    Something needs to be done about Linda playing pied pier to the EDS community. I have some ideas, but nothing I can do alone.

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  • More Real

    Last week, in the same hour, I saw two discussions on TV that raise important points relating to this thread. This one will start with something I believe Kyle Richards said, about her depiction on a Real Housewives episode. Basically she said it was an opportunity to learn how to be better as a person. She wasn't happy with how it was filmed and claimed she's better than it made her look, but she took responsibility for not behaving great. That is something we're still waiting for Linda to do.

    I think she was at crossroads in late 2010, at a low point and introspecting and therefore maybe more open to change. (Look up her posts from then.) Maybe she could have begun fixing herself and her life in the way nearly everyone still wants. Privately she opened up to me more than she probably has with most people, and I guess I deserve some blame for not knowing how to point her in the right direction and too publicly siding with her on the board then. I didn't realize the extent of her issues.

    Now it's clear she has fallen back into old patterns of goofing off, putting on a false front (e.g., "bff") to make her feel better, and keeping the wrong company. It seems hopeless for me personally to have any influence. In fact, it did by last summer, which is why - contrary to a very misleading claim she's made a few times - I consciously chose to push her out of my life, by criticizing her sharply for refusing to make positive changes. I didn't want to be a enabling 'friend' to her, and I didn't want to watch the train wreck up close. I still get mad at occasional posts of hers that remind me that she chose to throw away genuine friendship and live an irresponsible, inauthentic life that probably will become less "happy" over the years. I don't even have confidence that she's in therapy anymore, and if she is, there's no way she's being herself (bad parts included) with the therapist. (Ultimately a therapist would be more important in her 'recovery' than any one caring friend.)

    Edit: I know my behavior contradicts what I'm saying, which is that Linda should open up more despite deep-rooted fears of doing that. What I did hurt her, and I'm not proud of it. However, the main goal was to help her, to force discussion of things she's been sweeping under the rug (and was less and less willing to discuss privately). I wanted others to join in, maybe people who know her from other places ("but it seems they don't care"). Anyway, what's done is done, and at least the truth is out there. Except for something I didn't understand until last week...

    The second point will come later. It seems to explain some of her behavior in the episode and probably up to this day.

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  • I'm Confused...

    Ok so I'm really curious. Linda, how do you manage to type, with fingers that dislocate so easily, while on a computer that worsens your pain? Wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder as you did on your episode when the wrong people came near you? And you aren't typing short replies....

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  • Re: I'm Confused...

    That seems accusatory and ill-informed, so I'm not surprised hypersensitive Linda hasn't replied.

    Many of the replies Linda has posted are actually quotes (and shouldn't be posted, but that's another story). I'm not sure she's prone to lengthy writing. She almost certainly has been overusing the computer for a while, but she's also said that causes her pain. I doubt it often gives her dislocations (or subluxations, which likely is the more accurate term). She likely is experiencing carpal tunnel and/or repetitive strain injury. The TMI finger stuff from the episode happened about a decade ago. Somehow or other (but surely not related to electricity), the problem went away.

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