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  • tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    After graduating college, Linda found success working as an extra in Hollywood, achieving the glamorous life she always wanted. But her dreams died when she came down with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a rare disorder characterized by joint dislocations. Linda started taking fentanyl, a painkiller 100 times stronger than morphine. As her painkiller use escalated, she claimed that different sources were causing her pain, including electricity, energy, colors, and even specific people. Despite Linda's wild claims, her mother clings to the belief that Linda's pain is real and she must do everything to help her, including depleting the family's savings and sending her son to be Linda's caretaker.

     

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  • How in the world did EDsers cope?

    B4 Facebook. I'm really beginning to wonder. I just get an insane amount of information off my board alone. I use to think I was the EDS Pro. NOT!! Insane how much I have learned in less than a year! Anyway another message that made me think. This was referring to another member not me...

    .... I'm so grateful for the support and information I get from this group and a couple other EDS groups on FB. I'm fairly new to the groups but it has helped so much in just that short time! I live in a very rural area and know one around here has a clue what it's like to be so sick. They all think that since I look fine and only have a small limp, I must be fine. I feel like the only people I've ever found who understand are all you here on FB. Please take care of yourself first but also know that you are appreciated and a blessing to your fellow zebras!

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  • Re: Dial a joke

    I have heard of that and am opposed to it on principle, since nearly everyone there is famous for illegitimate reasons. (I checked and there are a few exceptions*) and shouldn't be rewarded for that. Plus, it would be psychologically unhealthy for our resident psychologically unhealthy Linda - dwelling on the screwy past and possibly being attacked by callers - and it probably would be a distraction from pursuing important things in life. I hope that technical/logitistical reasons prevent it from happening. And if it does, I would urge fregs to spend a few dollars to make the job unpleasant for Linda and for A&E to lock the thread to stop Linda's self-promoting. There are ways to 'capitalize' on the reputation without blatant fame- and money-seeking behavior.

    *I saw AJ Benza is there. I remember him fondly from E! and consider his work to be respectable. Although I wouldn't pay to speak to him. I Googled him (to find out why he has sunk to such lows) and he has a blog post detailing personal observations of Whitney Houston as a secretly out-of-control druggie.

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  • Re: How in the world did EDsers cope?

    Well, there's a little humility about Linda's own knowledge level, but it's then followed by tremendous ignorance. Online EDS groups have existed for years. None has ever been very good (in my opinion), and that includes Linda's group, from what I hear. At least the other groups probably don't give out dangerous advice. Still waiting to hear Linda back off the idea that people with Ehlers Danlos should seek long-term opiod therapy as a main way of coping with the disorder.

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  • Poof! Disappearing like Magic

    To respond to freg's since-deleted comments...
    Nobody normal knows and particularly likes Linda. (Not that I'm in that category.) Many people find Linda interesting, but most in a trainwreck kind of way. I don't know why anyone would pay to talk to her. People who have more money than common sense? It is one thing to talk to a possibly crazy person in public, another to pay for the privilege. That could work either way - Linda being more free to say crazy things and people more free to bring up unpleasant things about her. If she hasn't learned that from how people address her online. Anyway, it's sad if Linda has nothing better to do than talk with strangers. Personally, I'd rather have one good friend and be a nobody than be well-known and have no real friends.

    Also, looking at the most predictable aspect, the money could only be a little without causing disability benefits to end. If that happened and later income dried up, Linda might not re-qualify since indications are she is mostly able-bodied for the time being. As I like to say, chronic bad judgment on Linda's part, rather than innately bad health, is what trashed a once-promising life.

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  • Ehlers-Danlos Magazine Mention

    EDS was mentioned in Maxim, in a bad way. The only way it could have been worse had it referred to Linda's episode. But there was such a backlash that the magazine published a retraction online and now has an interview with an EDS spokesperson online. Not sure if it's in the newest print edition, but that would be great. I get the sense that direct linking here might lead to deletion, so please Google.

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  • Vulnerable Narcissists - Not as Bad

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201204/why-they-cant-feel-joy-narcissistic-shallow-emotions
    Vulnerable narcissists can better access feelings like insecurity and weakness, whereas grandiose NPs better shield themselves with confidence and high self-worth. Vulnerable NPs appear to be overcompensating for low self-esteem and a deep-seated sense of shame that may have emerged during early childhood as a coping mechanism to deal with parental neglect or abuse. (Typically, grandiose NPs were not neglected; instead, they were treated like mommy and daddy's little prince or princess. As adults, they still expect to be treated as special, superior and powerful.)

    Vulnerable NPs see themselves as victims of those who don't understand how superior they are, and unlike grandiose NPs, they actually care about how their partners see them. They also have some different behaviors: they:

    Tend to swing back and forth between acting superior and feeling hurt

    May get self-destructive when partners point out their vulnerabilities

    Accuse the other partner of having affairs and may be obsessive about preventing that from happening

    Have a pattern of looking for a perfect mate and demanding that she tells him he's important and loved

    But the main difference between vulnerable NPs and invulnerable NPs is in the way they feel (or don't feel). Specifically,

    With their fragile self-esteem, vulnerable narcissists experience helplessness, anxiety, and depression when people don't treat them as they desire.

    They feel shamed and humiliated by negative feedback or when others challenge their superior self-image.

    They also experience anxiousness, bitterness, dissatisfaction, and disempowerment.

    They suffer from many BPD-like emotions, like feelings of emptiness and inadequacy. Others find them sensitive and emotional; preoccupied with fears of rejection and abandonment. They are touchy, quick to be offended, and easily provoked.

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  • Re: Vulnerable Narcissists - Not as Bad

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html

    According to the American research, there has been a 67 per cent increase in [narcissism] over the past two decades [2009 article], mainly among women. [Funny how the American media downplayed the female aspect.]

    An estimated ten per cent of the population suffers from narcissism as a full-blown personality disorder.

    Narcissists are most likely to end up in leadership roles despite the fact they often don't make good leaders.

     

    I don't actually believe it's 10 percent, but clearly it isn't rare. Narcissism is depicted as vile, but the reality is more sad than evil. Linda has good traits that could serve her very well if she were to lessen the inflated sense of self that has been so vile to her own well-being.

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  • What happens when u r in pain and get accused of drugseeking

    I so hate it when one of our own gets so mistreated by Idiot doctors who know nothing about EDS pain they are driven to the edge.......... Life sucks pretty bad sometimes

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  • some replies....

    Yes it happens everyday. How many of us have left a doc's office in tears or raging mad? I'm so tired of trying to educate doctor's that don't want to learn.

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  • When Doctors say EDS Doesn't hurt

    I think some doctors that dont get it just have a brain disorder....Seriously. like a lack of common sense?? Like common sense tells u that dislocations should hurt. how they get into their head that it doesnt is beyond me?

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  • Looking normal

    often times we forget how "normal"we come across. i've been accused of not having pain even by med students from USC who came to my room. Sometimes its just personality types. Sometimes it registers with certain people and other times they just fail to get it no matter what they are told. Some people can't get past the visual.

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  • Re: Looking normal

    I suspect that's Linda speaking for herself (rather than quoting someone). Regardless - "sometimes its just personality types" is a great point. Some people just aren't as sensitive as others and/or are quicker to jump to negative conclusions - indications are that at least the insensitive types are overrepresented among doctors. I've met too many of them. And well, negative conclusions usually come from multiple experiences, um, such as... Anyway, try not to take it personally.

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  • Another decent posting

     

    I am upset that dr's who train for a decade or more cant be more compassionate to us folks living with this disorder anyone who knows me knows I have an extremely high tolerance to pain as I almost never complain about mine I have been exac...tly where she is today I have on several occasions contemplated my own death and even attempted to end my life in the past as this disorder has brought waves and waves of pain and agony upon my life and on many occasions dr's cant figure out the pain so they assume you are an addict trying to score pain killers but in thier deffense that happens to them alot more than them dealing with eds'ers so please forgive your dr's niave remarks and understand that we are a rare breed of humans who are damned with a disorder they dont see often enough to understand so as u are faced with these dr's educate them give them pamphlets invite em to seminars ect ect... It is unfortunately our responsibility To educate the medical community on our behalf and if we are able to get even just one more dr per state to do the research and understand our pain we are going to find the cure for this awful disease!!!!

     

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    You can't find a "cure". It's genetic.

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  • Dick Clark

    My fun Dick Clark Story..... One of my very first Auditions my agent sent me to Dick Clark productions which I had no idea even existed. i was so green I was convinced Dick Clark would not be there. i roll up to what looks like a huge Ginger bread house in Burbank and do the audition. On my way out of one of the offices I see a Man moving boxes in the hall. When he turns around i see its THE Dick Clark!! Moving Boxes?? I had the biggest Stunned Shocked Surprised look on my face. He see's me and gives me the biggest imitation of my shocked expression. With the arms and everything!! Kinda like the Home alone deal! LOL I was so embarassed I left! What a spirit!!! May he Rest in peace......

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    I have been gone from the boards for a couple of years. I just read that Ace is gone? What happened to her? Please, someone PM me and let me know. I got an email from her at an email I couldnt access till just recently. Please, someone fill me in. I am sick to my stomach to read that!

  • Aberrant Patients - from a Story like Linda's

    I've been saying that Linda's pro-pain med stance might be leading people to ruin. I recently heard about another person with EDS who was misusing substances in attempt to manage pain. Unlike Linda, she admitted it. However, she might have been using hard drugs and already had some idea of how EDS is supposed to be treated. It shows the risk that is a combination of bad judgment and an almost intractable disorder.

     

    It made me do some research...

     

     

    Borderline Personality Spectrum Disorders. In the 2002–2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health among patients with past-year non-medical prescription opioid use, those with abuse/dependence were more likely to suffer from co-morbid symptoms of panic disorder and social phobia/agoraphobia symptoms. Interestingly, it has also been demonstrated that CSF beta endorphin levels are positively associated with anxiety symptoms in normal subjects but not in those with panic disorder further indicating a role for the endogenous opioid system in the modulation of anxiety. And indeed, there are significant neuro-psychiatric similarities between the symptoms of the human opiate withdrawal state and anxiety disorders symptoms in general.

     

    Pain practitioners will have already noticed that the anxious patient can become a desperate patient; and desperate patients have an increased risk of becoming aberrant patients. In pain management we have been ingrained to be on the lookout for the mind numbingly, terrifying individual known as the “aberrant patient.” These patients, by definition, can be anxious, irritable, labile, manipulative, threatening, and even abusive towards the pain practitioner. These patients share many similarities with patients in the opioid withdrawal state who manifest characteristic autonomic and somatic symptoms—including dysphoria, restlessness, hyperirritability, and anxiety. These defining behavioral characteristics are also hallmarks of the borderline personality spectrum of psychiatric disorders which are characterized by a lack of affective regulation of emotional responses. And it is with this spectrum of disorders that some of the most recent neuroimaging findings demonstrate a clear link between endogenous opioid dysfunction and the cognitive and emotional regulation of behavior.

     

     

    Of the many risk factors that must be addressed with patients for proper consent to be achieved is the potential for hazardous drug interactions between the patient’s prescribed opioids and/or other medications and substances of abuse, including alcohol. Patients must be warned about the cumulative sedating effects that can occur when opioids are concomitantly ingested with many different substances—especially the psycho-tropic medications. For instance, even though the benzodiazepines are not, and should not be, contraindicated for use with opioid medications—as the anxiolytic affects of benzodiazepines and the muscle relaxants, in many cases, can reduce the need for higher doses of opioid medications in certain chronic pain patients—it must be stressed that intoxication with these medications, alone or used together, is always a possibility. And, of course, the risks of concurrent heavy alcohol use/abuse or the use of any legal or illegal substance concurrently with prescribed opioid medications always includes the possibility of accidental overdose/death.

     

    Parenthetically, many pain practitioners are already secondarily modulating their patient’s neuro-psychiatric symptoms while treating their pain when they prescribe pain-modulating psychotropic medications such as the anti-depressants (i.e., milnacipran, duloxetine, amitriptyline, nortriptyline etc.) and the anti-convulsants (i.e., pregabalin, gabapentin, valproate, etc.). The careful pain practitioner must always be aware of the risk for suicide with any of the psychotropic medications—but especially in their chronic pain patient population that is already at risk for symptoms of dysphoria and desperation.


     

    http://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/resources/smoking-aberrant-behavior-chronic-pain-patients

    http://www.wvrxabuse.org/predicting%20addictive%20behaviors.pdf

    Therefore, it makes sense why doctors respond to some (anxious) Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome patients as though they are crazy and not in pain.

    Also, from some sites I don’t want to list, I learned that exaggerating pain level, seeking specific pain meds, and (unfortunately since often true for EDS patients) claiming allergy to or ineffectiveness of (less-likely-to-be-abused) NSAID pain meds are red flags to doctors. I wonder if self-referral also is, and I presume that looking young and healthy also raises suspicions.

    Since certain red flags are easily hidden – as in patients who put on a good act and have never received mental health treatment – cases like Linda’s can happen even with careful doctors. Family members and others need to pay attention.

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  • another EDS story......

     

    I am unsure if I have ever posted for help or answers on this group, but have encouraged as many people as much as I could for this is an isolating world we live in with so much misundestanding. I usually am the type to not say a worx but today... I feel broken...in tears... as well as angry and frustrated and confused. The individual I have gone veryclose to over the last (almost) year and a half... has seen my trials and many tribulations with having this dreaded "thing" called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. A few hours ago, he laid into me BIG TIME about how I "WONT SEE A DOCTOR THAT KNOWS EXS!!!! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! ...and WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!! I tried to tell him that is EXTREMELY difficult, having personally seen well over 50++ (lost count eventuality, could be more like 100 doctors or more, it was CONSTANT DOCTORS!) Doctors had consistantly pushed me aside, "growing pains", "pain that comes with your menstrual," "hypochondriac", "you worry too much!"..."You'll be fine~ possibly did some tissue damage in your sleep moving around." "PAIN from too many surgeries." You name it, I've heard it. Turns out I have had a positive diagnosis for EDS since 1984, since I was 11 years old and my parents hid it from me! Yeah~ grrr...to say the least.

    So, this is what has me in tears right now and is tearing at my soul. the individual I have been close to for almost a year and a half, just ripped me a new one... claiming I'm full of it and "OH! THERES SO MANY Doctors that would help you and you choose NOT to go get their help!! I have searched and searched and get defeated and NO! I do NOT GIVE UP! EVER! But with my insurance I cannot doctor shop or I'm stuck with nothing ( or one they appoint to you that 10 times out of ten knows more about ardvarks than he does Ehlers Danlos Sybdrome. I am hurt, my soul is weeping. I don't remember this kind of hurt in a long time. He's seen me suffer, brought me to appointments (the run of the mill ones we all see that don't know much about eds). I am extremely patient and kind and would LOVE to work with a doctor who is "teachable."

    But what do I sat to my guy that's treating me like I'm a complete moron/idiot/loser for NOT finding MR. DR. EDS EXPERT?! I'M crushed, and beyond hurt. I have looked for years and the one geneticist I can go to WILL NOT take my insurance. I am an RN who is now unfortunately disabled with no income or disability and noe a significant other who thinks I am a fool or I just don't try enough...and I SO DO!!! FOR YEARS! HOW do I talk to him? Anyone who's willing to help I am above and beyond thankful...I'm stuck. :(gp

     

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  • Finally an EDS victory :)) Christina u Rock!!

     
    Via Christina Rightmer......YES I DID IT I DID IT. MY CITY IT GOING TO SIGN THE PROCLAMATION FOR MAY AS EHLERS DANLOS AWARENESS MONTH ON MAY 8TH. I WAS ASKED BY THE MAYOR TO BE THERE TO ACCEPT IT. YES I DID IT I DID IT. SORRY JUST EXCITED JUST FOUND OUT THIS AFTERNOON. I AM WORKING ON MEDIA COVERAGE FOR THE EVENT AS WELL. ( Christina lives in Atascadero)

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  • Re: another EDS story - magical hopes

    Of course she's upset, but how much good are the usual "I'm so sorry, dear" and "Dump him, girl"?

    First of all, the clinical trial in Maryland probably is still open and would cost virtually nothing if she qualifies. Also, she could ask someone who hurt her to make amends by contributing to 'self-pay' for a visit the geneticist she likes. (I think that's generally not more than a few hundred dollars.) Or she could try a different strategy for educating doctors she already sees, as I find many of them can be taught new tricks when approached the right way. She could also ask for the names of local doctors who have treated EDS patients, because experience usually makes them take the condition more seriously.

    But the presumed boyfriend and maybe she herself have another problem: the belief that any doctor could make much of a difference. Beyond knowing how to diagnose EDS and order tests for potential life-threatening problems, that usually isn't so. The media likes to focus on conditions that might be highly treatable or even curable, but there's no hope of that for EDS in the near future (and pain meds definitely don't count as a particularly helpful treatment for most with the condition). At the very least, she should communicate that to her guy, even if she's already decided to dump him.

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