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    After graduating college, Linda found success working as an extra in Hollywood, achieving the glamorous life she always wanted. But her dreams died when she came down with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a rare disorder characterized by joint dislocations. Linda started taking fentanyl, a painkiller 100 times stronger than morphine. As her painkiller use escalated, she claimed that different sources were causing her pain, including electricity, energy, colors, and even specific people. Despite Linda's wild claims, her mother clings to the belief that Linda's pain is real and she must do everything to help her, including depleting the family's savings and sending her son to be Linda's caretaker.

     

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    I've heard of that happening, specifically cancer on top of other conditions being treated with pain meds. Edit: EDS can affect virtually everything, so that's another reason for people with it to be on the look out for new issues developing and promptly talking to doctors about them. Anyway, hurrah for less pain for Father's Day.

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  • So many takes

    This is completely crazy!! I hardly ever post on pain and addiction on my Facebook wall but I made a comment about my EDS Pro Wendy and low and behold my new Hard core Roxette friend chimes in with this!! 

    Hi Linda, Jeff Travis commented on your status. Jeff wrote: "Most physicians are completely unaware of the difference between physiologically induced dependance and addiction. Normally, when patients don't need medication any longer they can simply discontinue taking it with no psychological sequale. If addiction = physiological dependance then I guess anyone who takes thyroid medication, etc, etc, etc, is an 'addict.'"

    Wow a pain Med expert and Roxette Fanatic wrapped up in one person? Can this be for real?

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  • Hey Sweetie

    Most pain pts under the care of a doctor only get enough meds to cover the pain they are currently experiencing. IE. I have been hospitalized enough times and met many pts who regularly take for instance the duragesic patch for cancer pain yet they have a colon blockage or their appendix is inflamed. They can feel that pain because their pain meds does not cover both sources of pain. I've sat in on enough md visits and heard the doctor tell those pts don't worry I will keep you on your regular meds and give you additional coverage for the post surgical pain. It is a HUGE myth that pain meds takes pain away completely. I can CERTAINLY attest to that! The only time in 10 yrs of extreme pain that I had sufficient coverage was When I took Actiq and IM Demerol Simultaneously. I was having severe stomach problems. People with EDS Have multiple sources of pain. When My fingers were burning and my hips were messed up the meds would only go to one place. I did not have a choice which area would be covered. It was usually the area that hurt more. So I was ALWAYS left with at least multiple sites hurting.  

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  • Had to post this!!

     
    Wendy Swanson
    Hi,Lin! I didn't see the post you were talking about, but I'd like to read it if you can tell me where to find it...if not, don't worry. I have to tell you though, when you take pain meds, they don't just go to one or another sites o...f pain, though it may feel like it sometimes. The body doesn't work that way...it has no way to do that. If you are one of the REAL pain patients I talked about yesterday, and you have the receptor sites for the pain meds to work on, you take the meds, and they go to the receptor sites...ALL of them, and do whatever they can for the pain. They spread themselves over all the pain sites. The reason you feel like your most painful areas get relief better is probably because where there is more pain, you notice the difference more. The truth is, because medicine is not an exact science, and they don't know very much about the brain yet, that is all they know right now. But it IS fact that even if you had 5 bad pain
    areas, say, both arms, both legs and your head....the meds would be spread over ALL the areas. The reason?? GOD. He is SO intelligent and LOVING, he made sure to make our bodies that way. It would be cruel to make it so you need a different med for each pain receptor site, but it would ALSO mean that each painful area would have DIFFERENT SHAPED RECEPTOR SITES FOR EACH PAINFUL AREA. Then it would only work in one area. Since they don't know exactly how it all works, i.e., WHY does there ALWAYS seem to be pain still there even when we take something like morphine? My theory is, there are MORE receptor sites than the meds could EVER fill, because God made it that way. The reason would be that if the meds filled ALL the sites, what if we still had pain to be killed? No matter how much medication we took, there wouldn't be anymore receptor sites available, so no more pain relief. That would be CRUEL, but GOD IS GOOD, so He didn't do that. That's MY
    theory, but the only thing I wanted to get across now is, when we take pain meds, they don't just go to ONE area of pain at a time. It's just not possible. Kind of like pouring powdered KOOL-AID into the water, and the molecules of KOOL-AID only went to certain molecules of water, instead of spreading themselves over the whole pitcher of water. That IS kind of how the meds work in our body, since they break down into tiny parts and then go through the system to the pain. Well, I don't want to do it, but I have to go to the grocery store for a bit, so I have to go now. I'll be in touch!! Take care! Gentle Hugs! Wendy
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    • You gotta love me some Wendy!! Girl You are absolutely Fantastic!! Though at another point in time we need to debate the theory about it goin to all the receptor sites. I want to make an argument about that. I have had a different experience unless it's true about the different shaped sites. That would be a good idea as natures protector.
      You gotta love me some Wendy!! Girl You are absolutely Fantastic!! Though at another point in time we need to debate the theory about it goin to all the receptor sites. I want to make an argument about that. I have had a different experience unless it's true about the different shaped sites. That would be a good idea as natures protector.
       
     

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  • The Reblogging

    I'm really hoping these people don't mind too much. I have a twitter account and love it when I'm retweeted. But these are quite valuable perspectives. Thank you for the contributions!!!

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    I guess it's hard for us non-medically inclined folks to understand the nature of pain, I'm trying to understand how there are different receptor sites, neurologically and how there are different types of medicine to treat these sites for pain. The thing I have a hard time understanding is, some people have to lay down for certain types of pain and some people with the same condition would rather be, say mowing the lawn, almost trying to take their mind off the pain. Some people need to sit with a hot water bottle on their back to treat themselves for kidney pain, while a different person could have the same pain and could be sittin gup all day driving a truck, AT WHAT POINT, will everyone experience the same degree of pain with the same condition, say you have a pancreatic cancer, at what point do we all need to be on morphine? There must come a time, even with the strongest of us that we need medical attention, not just some street drugs, or drugs we can some how come up with from a doctor under the guise of something else, when our disease has become bad enough. That's where I worry about addicts masking the pain..at some point, you will be so ill you will need to see a doctor, or does the addict simply wait until the very last minute when the cancer has (God forbid) become a Stage 4 and it's all together too late and then what happens is they just have to be admitted in to the hospital? I really hope that it does't get that bad for the addict and imagine the families of addicts who would experience that with them?

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Something else that I'm sure is a huge concern for families addicted to pain meds or any other sort of meds is that if they DO mask some life threatening illnesses what happens if a loved one should pass away from lack of care, because no one knew there was a fatal illness going on? I don't believe you can receive life insurance benefits if there was an addiction, can one? Hopefully, no one finds themselves in these positions, but I don't really know how these things go for people and how they ARE covered in case they find themselves in these situations. And none of us want to see things become this extreme, I know, I'm just wondering how famlies take care of themselves if they are in this situation with the head of a household say.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Real addicts aren't known for taking good care of themselves, so even if they notice symptoms of health issues, they're relatively unlikely to seek help. That's what Dr. Drew insinuated about Jeff Conaway's death.

    I can attest to what Linda claims about meds not eliminating all pain (not with severe or widespread pain, anyway) and there being different kinds of pain (with different meds for the types). Still it's possible for pain meds to cover up problems. That's one reason why doctors are unlikely to prescribe strong meds for pain of uncertain origin. (Often undiagnosed EDS patients will run into that.) Another reason, of course, is the possibility that it's a ruse to score the meds. Then there's the "Do no harm" principle, because pain meds can directly do harm. (Linda, tell the whole truth. You don't want people to destroy themselves with pain meds, do you? It often takes a dangerous amount of pain meds to greatly reduce pain in Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, for example. Besides, nobody will 100% believe that you handled your care perfectly.)

    And no, I don't think comments should be re-tweeted here attached to user IDs unless permission is given first.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    http://www.intractablepaindisease.com/

    I consider intractable pain to be a subset of chronic pain. Daily opiates for intractable pain - a good idea in most cases. Daily opiates for other types of chronic pain - often a bad idea. Not even Linda really knows why she was in that level of pain. Unmedicated EDS usually has moments of little or no pain (when patients can do just about anything, such as dance). Most people with it do not have constant severe pain.

     

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  • Pain Receptors

    I forgot when I learned this either in Grad school maybe college maybe HS. But when we were studying the brain they showed us that the smaller the body part, like your hands and fingers the more area of the brain is covered containing pain receptors so that's why we feel more pain for instance if we got a paper cut. . the larger the body part like a leg or arm a smaller area of the brain is covered. So given this info,  i don't think it's a theory, it would be very telling how the body would respond to pain killers. I would imagine for Finger pain a higher quantity of pain meds would be necessary because there are so many more receptors. This is quite interesting because though I had already had shoulders, hips, knees, elbows dislocate it was not until My fingers went out that I needed narcotics. to this day for every large joint, like a shoulder or elbow or knee I have never needed Narcotics for that stuff. It's usually just for fingers and hips. I imagine because it's come out so often and it's such a main joint that heals so slowly. because so much weight is on it all the time.  

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanoreceptor
    And there's more info from Googling. But I really don't want to "engage." I don't trust the reasons for the recent campaign (for access to pain meds). Even severe finger pain doesn't necessarily call for long-term treatment with opiates. (Not when it's via cervical nerve impingment, for example, which can happen in EDS. And it's probably a mistake to use it and nothing else for finger dislocations.) I'm tired of sounding like a broken record. While it may have been exploitive and misleading, the Intervention was not a mistake. A better, much more normal life for Linda should have been the outcome.

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  • Awesome Visit!! :)))

    My Parents just left this morning :(((( It was a fantastic visit!! Mostly because it ws the first time in 10 yrs we got to spend anytime together that I was not in excruciating pain:)))))))))))) So you could imagine Just how excited I was! Sam is completely hysterical! he is the funniest person on Earth! I even got my Lost CD collection back! It was at my uncle's house!  So Sad I prob won't get to see them again until next year :((((

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  • Your heart has to go out.....

    After i read this message I was incredibly moved so I am reposting it. It gives such a good window into what true pain sufferers go through. It is from Wendy, It was in response to the pain receptor post. Having been through this stuff myself it left me speechless. Now you guys know why this cause is so important to me.
     
    Thank you, Linda, for reminding me! I don't remember when it was we DID learn that, but it was cool to learn. Now I remember! Thank you again. Hope your week is getting a better start than mine is. It's 7pm, and I've been taking pain meds and sleeping, waking up in horrible pain, going back to sleep, repeat. It's very warm and been raining/thunderstorming, and that's my worst weather...when I'm in the most pain. I don't know if you're a praying person, but if you are, could I ask you to please pray for me, that this pain won't be so intense?? I haven't managed to eat today, because I'm in so much pain. I have some real bad days, and this is one of them. Thank you, Linda, for your friendship, and your trust in what I say. It means so much to have the respect and friendship of wonderful people like you! God Bless, and Gentle Hugs!! WendyPS- I know what you mean about the painful fingers being real bad...they seem to hurt more than
    other parts, and it's not fun...

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Mmhmm. As for what I said earlier about meds, EDS often forces people into physical inactivity, lack of sunlight, and poor sleep (from pain or brain causes). That makes pain worse. Correct those things, maybe temporarily using daily pain meds, and then the patient might not need to take anything on a regular basis. Linda, regardless of my opinion of you, I cannot agree with your seeming belief that long-term daily opiate use is a good idea for most people in much pain from EDS.

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  • Denying A murderer Pain Meds

    To deny a a Criminal Pain meds is it inhumane or simply a Judgement call? That was actually a quote from Derek Shephard but it was so awful to hear. ER doctors do it everyday to innocent victims because they believe people are drug seeking. Treating pain pts like criminals.Making them suffer in pain just because believe they might be drug seeking. this is so sick to me.   It is such a shame that doctors end up playing God. I wonder if Doctors ever are 100% sure their judgement is correct. Maybe they should start having lie detector tests in ER and in Pain Doctor offices. That could be a quick solution.  

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    I mean, I guess I have to ask, what is the result of not giving a pain medication? Do you just let the criminal roll around on his jail cell floor? I really don't know what we would be doing or trying to accomplish?

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    That's called sadism. Maybe cost-cutting, too. But refusing to give pain meds in ER for a non-acute injury is a defensible practice. (Though the rudeness and accusations that sometimes go with denials are not.) I don't know - is Linda really pushing for ERs to give out pain meds like candy? We're in an epidemic of prescription drug abuse. Besides, most people have access to decent pain management doctors (and, if necessary, help with paying for meds), if they look hard enough. For example - http://www.doctorsforpain.com/

    There are so many better causes to push, such as better training for health care professionals and more funding for analgesic (painkiller) research.

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Let's listen to actual experts, not Linda. Here is a lengthy article about pain management in the ER.
    http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~williams/drugseeking.pdf

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  • It kills me

    It kills me that people think that pain experts know more about pain than actual pain patients!! How could that  be remotely true? That's why so many Doctors came up to me to ask my opinion about giving pain meds to their EDS pts. And that joke of a EDS MD Weinberger went on National TV and said what he said. No one knows anything about pain till they have had it themselves for an extended period of time. They do not have a right to speak unless they have actually been there. You know what made me kinda sad yesterday it was Wendy's Birthday and she had to celebrate it in pain. Thank God that she is use to it having been in pain since First Grade. But It reminded me of how I was unable to even go out to dinner to celebrate my birthday for the last 10 yrs. One yr I managed to sit through dinner by injecting the lollipops in the restaurant Bathroom. That's what led George to believe I had a drug problem. It's so crazy How off base people could be. It enraged me that after that year my family would not let me inject so that I could go out to dinner again. I ended up having to leave the restaurant cause the pain was too outstanding. Seriously people you guys do not know how life bad can get. That's why this visit was just so sweet. I don't think there were happier people in this world than me and my family this week. To see me practically pain free and for me to actually be pain free around them was amazing. I can honestly say it was probably the happiest day in my parents life since my birth. Even better not a single phone rang in the restaurant the first night. Hmmmmm........   And even better this say s alot about Sam And I's Relationship. It's so awesome that we have the same sense of humor and can just laugh and get along without a monkey on our back.  :))))))

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  • Re: tonight's episode: Linda -- talk about it here

    Not every expert is an expert. I don't know of any top EDS docs on the West Coast. No wonder doctors could go to a local conference and find Linda (whom, snark, I doubt they recognized) very knowledgeable about Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. Maybe even I could have given that impression - okay, not on pain meds.  Not that I want someone turning to me for all the answers when I really know a lot. Plus, every case is different, so nobody could know enough just from personal experience. I trust thorough, sensible-sounding research more than I trust any one person's opinion. Even if that is an expert's opinion. I hope the other readers agree.

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